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	<title>Comments on: Protecting software with Themida</title>
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		<title>By: Alwin</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-5174</link>
		<dc:creator>Alwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, we stopped using Themida.
It often generated false positives with virus scanners and other security software. Which generated unnecessary support load.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, we stopped using Themida.<br />
It often generated false positives with virus scanners and other security software. Which generated unnecessary support load.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-5172</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alwin,

after year and half I&#039;m wondering if you&#039;re still using Themida or how did this story end?

Waiting for final conclusion....
Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alwin,</p>
<p>after year and half I&#8217;m wondering if you&#8217;re still using Themida or how did this story end?</p>
<p>Waiting for final conclusion&#8230;.<br />
Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alwin

Care to explain a little about &#039;more incompatibility problems have appeared&#039; and having stopped using Themida?

You&#039;ve kind of killed the entire post/thread with that remark.

The Internet is a big place... but it almost seems like a business opportunity for someone to create a &#039;crack sweeper&#039; service on the &#039;net... that developers might subscribe to for a nominal fee... if one could somehow &#039;sweep away&#039; (terminate) the (availability of) specific cracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alwin</p>
<p>Care to explain a little about &#8216;more incompatibility problems have appeared&#8217; and having stopped using Themida?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve kind of killed the entire post/thread with that remark.</p>
<p>The Internet is a big place&#8230; but it almost seems like a business opportunity for someone to create a &#8216;crack sweeper&#8217; service on the &#8216;net&#8230; that developers might subscribe to for a nominal fee&#8230; if one could somehow &#8216;sweep away&#8217; (terminate) the (availability of) specific cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Polytopal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polytopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alwin, the userbase at giveawayoftheday are a few serious people among throngs of clowns so I agree that many developers get hurt by silly comments.  Unfortunately, when people attack the developer, the comments don&#039;t get moderated, but then when someone rises up to defend the developer and try to squash ridiculous unsubstantiated comments, they get moderated... I have notoriety so I get moderated super quick now, it&#039;s rather ridiculous, all I want is fair commenting, but it should go BOTH ways!

@Alexander, the question is interesting as anthropological studies have shown this phenomenon to exist, however, if you could protect an investment from theft (yes, piracy is absolutely and totally theft, there is no other definition for it), especially a product that garners the interest of *millions* of users, wouldn&#039;t you??  Closed source, proprietary software is not a common resource like public parks or public lakes, and it is an atrocity that it is treated as such...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alwin, the userbase at giveawayoftheday are a few serious people among throngs of clowns so I agree that many developers get hurt by silly comments.  Unfortunately, when people attack the developer, the comments don&#8217;t get moderated, but then when someone rises up to defend the developer and try to squash ridiculous unsubstantiated comments, they get moderated&#8230; I have notoriety so I get moderated super quick now, it&#8217;s rather ridiculous, all I want is fair commenting, but it should go BOTH ways!</p>
<p>@Alexander, the question is interesting as anthropological studies have shown this phenomenon to exist, however, if you could protect an investment from theft (yes, piracy is absolutely and totally theft, there is no other definition for it), especially a product that garners the interest of *millions* of users, wouldn&#8217;t you??  Closed source, proprietary software is not a common resource like public parks or public lakes, and it is an atrocity that it is treated as such&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alwin</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-2532</link>
		<dc:creator>Alwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, the concern is ridiculous. Themida is a legitimate software protection tool.
The user who posted the 2nd comment there obviously has no clue what he is talking about. I feel sorry for the developers of this Smart Diary Suite program, they are probably loosing a lot of sales because of this one comment. Sad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, the concern is ridiculous. Themida is a legitimate software protection tool.<br />
The user who posted the 2nd comment there obviously has no clue what he is talking about. I feel sorry for the developers of this Smart Diary Suite program, they are probably loosing a lot of sales because of this one comment. Sad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-2531</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I program is being given away free at www.giveawayoftheday.com which uses Themida today.

People have thrown concern over the program due it using Thermida and this thread was linked.

Alexander Gieg has assumed, for some reason, that you created the software being given away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I program is being given away free at <a href="http://www.giveawayoftheday.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.giveawayoftheday.com</a> which uses Themida today.</p>
<p>People have thrown concern over the program due it using Thermida and this thread was linked.</p>
<p>Alexander Gieg has assumed, for some reason, that you created the software being given away.</p>
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		<title>By: Alwin</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator>Alwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure what you are referring to with &quot;Medical version&quot;? I think you are confusing us with some other company.

To answer your question: no, sales didn&#039;t go up while using Themida.
In the meantime, more incompatibility problems have appeared, so we have stopped using Themida for most of our products.

BTW: the cost of Themida is of course negligible... that was never an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure what you are referring to with &#8220;Medical version&#8221;? I think you are confusing us with some other company.</p>
<p>To answer your question: no, sales didn&#8217;t go up while using Themida.<br />
In the meantime, more incompatibility problems have appeared, so we have stopped using Themida for most of our products.</p>
<p>BTW: the cost of Themida is of course negligible&#8230; that was never an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Gieg</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Gieg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen today&#039;s GAOTD where you&#039;re giving a license for the Medical version, and after reading comments there, many complaining about Themida (of which I&#039;ve heard about for the first time), someone linked to this blog post here. It seems to be quite an interesting tool, and I see you&#039;re quite pleased with the way it is managing to prevent hacks. But I have a question whose answer would be quite useful to those thinking about using this tool, and I hope you can shine some light on it. So, basically: did you see an increase in sales after implementing it?

I mean, from what I understand there are basically four groups of people out there when it comes people who want to use a specific non-free software:

a) Those who&#039;ll pay for it no matter what, even if a cracked version is easily available;

b) Those who want it bad enough they&#039;ll pay for it *if* they cannot get a cracked version;

c) Those who, similar to &#039;b&#039;, want it badly enough they would pay for it, but who don&#039;t have the money anyway, so they just won&#039;t use it if they cannot get a cracked version;

d) Those who like it enough to use it if a cracked version is available, but who wouldn&#039;t care not being able to use it at all if only the paid-for version is available.

Since &#039;a&#039; are always-paying customers, and &#039;c&#039; and &#039;d&#039; are always-non-paying non-customers, it&#039;s quite evident then that the only group that makes a financial impact is &#039;b&#039;, as they are the only ones that would switch from non-paying to paying.

Hence, my question would be more precisely stated thus: if you take the effective sales of softwares for the months April to July, then subtracts from this the originally projected sales for the period, then subtracts from the result the cost of Themida itself, is the end result noticeable enough to make it worth implementing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen today&#8217;s GAOTD where you&#8217;re giving a license for the Medical version, and after reading comments there, many complaining about Themida (of which I&#8217;ve heard about for the first time), someone linked to this blog post here. It seems to be quite an interesting tool, and I see you&#8217;re quite pleased with the way it is managing to prevent hacks. But I have a question whose answer would be quite useful to those thinking about using this tool, and I hope you can shine some light on it. So, basically: did you see an increase in sales after implementing it?</p>
<p>I mean, from what I understand there are basically four groups of people out there when it comes people who want to use a specific non-free software:</p>
<p>a) Those who&#8217;ll pay for it no matter what, even if a cracked version is easily available;</p>
<p>b) Those who want it bad enough they&#8217;ll pay for it *if* they cannot get a cracked version;</p>
<p>c) Those who, similar to &#8216;b&#8217;, want it badly enough they would pay for it, but who don&#8217;t have the money anyway, so they just won&#8217;t use it if they cannot get a cracked version;</p>
<p>d) Those who like it enough to use it if a cracked version is available, but who wouldn&#8217;t care not being able to use it at all if only the paid-for version is available.</p>
<p>Since &#8216;a&#8217; are always-paying customers, and &#8216;c&#8217; and &#8216;d&#8217; are always-non-paying non-customers, it&#8217;s quite evident then that the only group that makes a financial impact is &#8216;b&#8217;, as they are the only ones that would switch from non-paying to paying.</p>
<p>Hence, my question would be more precisely stated thus: if you take the effective sales of softwares for the months April to July, then subtracts from this the originally projected sales for the period, then subtracts from the result the cost of Themida itself, is the end result noticeable enough to make it worth implementing?</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can certainly confirm the total lack of support for Armadillo (Software Passport or however the call themselves right now) since they were acquired by DR. It used to be a good product and had very good support, but it&#039;s definitely not an option anymore.

I&#039;ll also be moving to Winlicense in the next month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can certainly confirm the total lack of support for Armadillo (Software Passport or however the call themselves right now) since they were acquired by DR. It used to be a good product and had very good support, but it&#8217;s definitely not an option anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also be moving to Winlicense in the next month.</p>
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		<title>By: Alwin</title>
		<link>http://www.alwinhoogerdijk.com/2009/12/24/protecting-software-with-themida/comment-page-1/#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>Alwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, the Themida guys responded to my question within 5 minutes, on a Saturday!  Their response:


&lt;blockquote&gt;The module which detects those monitor tools will not be present. Just that protection is taken out, that should not affect the global security of your application.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like a good solution to the ProcMon issue then. 
I will ask Ronald to switch off that setting for the next builds of all our programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the Themida guys responded to my question within 5 minutes, on a Saturday!  Their response:</p>
<blockquote><p>The module which detects those monitor tools will not be present. Just that protection is taken out, that should not affect the global security of your application.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like a good solution to the ProcMon issue then.<br />
I will ask Ronald to switch off that setting for the next builds of all our programs.</p>
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